Choose a Fully-Featured, Durable, Comfy, Ultralight Backpack
Upgrading to a best-in-class ultralight backpack is one of the quickest and easiest ways to reduce carried weight and massively improve your experience on the trail. The average ultralight backpack on this list weighs two pounds, holds 55-60 liters, and can comfortably carry loads weighing 30-35 pounds. Once you go ultralight, there’s no going back!
This buyer’s guide is grounded in decades of experience wearing an ultralight backpack, and is informed by stats/feature/value comparisons, backcountry testing, meta-analysis, and the philosophy that lighter weight is better. By analyzing the best packs from all of those angles, we are able to evaluate which are the best performers. Hike confidently in your next great ultralight backpack!
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Cover photo: Zpacks Arc Haul
Best Ultralight Backpacks
- Best: ULA Equipment Ultra Circuit
- Best: Zpacks Arc Haul 60
- Best: Durston Kawka 55 UltraX
- Top All-Around Pick: Hyperlite Mountain Gear Unbound 55
- Top All-Around Pick: Outdoor Vitals CS40 Ultra
- Top All-Around Pick: Evolved Supply Co. Space Ranger
- Top All-Around Pick: CTUG Ultralight
- Top All-Around Pick: Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60
- Best Frameless: Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus 55
- Top Value: Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight Carbon 60
- Top Value: Durston Kakwa 55 UltraGrid
- Top Value: REI Co-op Flash 55
ULA Ultra Circuit, Photo by Simon Pratt
Ultralight Backpack Comparison Table
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| Backpacks | Price ($) | Weight (oz) | Volume with pockets (L) | Material |
| MLD Exodus 55 | 325+ | 18.0 | 55 | Ultra |
| Zpacks Arc Haul Ultra 60 | 399+ | 21.9 | 60 | Ultra |
| Outdoor Vitals CS40 Ultra | 329 | 27.0 | 53 | Ultra |
| Durston Kakwa 55 Ultra | 280 | 30.0 | 68 | Ultra |
| REI Flash Air 50 | 299 | 31.0 | 50 | Ripstop Nylon |
| HMG Unbound 55 | 399 | 31.0 | 64 | Dyneema |
| OV Shadowlight Carbon 60 | 275 | 31.5 | 64 | Ripstop Nylon |
| CTUG Ultralight Backpack | 450+ | 32.0 | 50 | Xpac |
| Durston Kakwa 55 Ultra Grid | 199 | 32.0 | 55 | Ripstop Nylon |
| Evolved Supply Space Ranger | 330 | 32.0 | 60 | Ecopak |
| Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60 | 315 | 34.7 | 60 | Ripstop Nylon |
| ULA Equipment Ultra Circuit | 380 | 36.8 | 68 | Ultra |
| REI Co-op Flash 55 | 219 | 45.0 | 55 | Ripstop Nylon |
When external pocket volume is not provided by the manufacturer, we estimate it to be 10L.
Best Ultralight Backpack Reviews
ULA ULtra Circuit
The ULA Ultra Circuit is one of the most popular choices on the PCT thanks to its rugged durability, and near-eternal lifespan. The UltraX fabric is waterproof and even stronger than Dyneema. We love the expansive-yet-tear-resistant stretch mesh front pocket, and breathable spacer mesh back panel, which is relatively unique among ultralight backpacks. From the double reverse pull hip belt adjusters to its beautifully s-curved shoulder straps and the widest array of torso length options, Circuit is all but guaranteed to yield a great fit. Biggest drawback is its weight; at 38.6 oz, it’s trending in between lightweight and ultralight.
Read more in our ULA Ultra Circuit Review.
- Weight: 36.8 oz
- Price: $380
- Materials: Challenge ULTRA-X 400/200
- Frame: Aluminum stay, carbon fiber & plastic U-shaped suspension hoop, dense foam back panel
- Load Capacity: 35 lbs
- Internal Volume: 45L
- External Volume : 23L
- Pros: Ultralight. Waterproof fabric. Incredibly durable. Voluminous. Comfy. Excellent buckles and straps.
- Cons: Expensive. Rounded bottom doesn’t sit upright while loading. Not seam taped. Heavy end of ultralight.
Zpacks Arc Haul 60
Zpacks Arc Haul 60 in waterproof UltraX fabric is one of the lightest and most expensive framed ultralight backpacks on the market, but you get what you pay for. The fully external carbon fiber frame offers exquisite weight transfer with load lifters, and holds in place a trampoline back panel that reduces sweat and prevents lump jabbing. Other thoughtful features include seam-taping, articulated shoulder straps, and a large rip-resistant front mesh front pocket. Part of why it’s the most expensive model is that you have to purchase hip belt pockets separately, which is mandatory for 99% of backpackers. We also recommend the lumbar pad.
- Weight: 21.9 oz
- Price: $399
- Materials: Challenge UltraX 100
- Frame: External Curved Carbon Fiber Stays, suspended mesh back panel.
- Load Capacity: 40 lbs
- Internal Volume: 47L
- External Volume : 13L
- Pros: Very ultralight. Exceptional load transfer. Comfy. Waterproof seam-taped fabric. Ventilated. Good pockets. Best-in-class materials. Wide articulated shoulder straps.
- Cons: Expensive. Frame durability is modest. Hip belt pockets sold separately.
Durston Kakwa 55
Durston Kakwa 55 is notable for its exceptional load transfer, waterproof UltraX fabric, all for a relatively low price point. At two pounds, it hits the ultralight weight bullseye, but isn’t short on features either. Not only do you get the full suite of regular external pockets, but also two built-in shoulder strap pockets (that other brands sell separately), and a unique side zipper pocket. Biggest drawbacks are its spotty availability, and lack of aerated back panel.
Note, this pack is also available in a non-waterproof ripstop fabric for a lower price.
- Weight: 31.0
- Price: $280
- Materials: Challenge Ultra 200
- Frame: Inverted U frame of hollow aluminum
- Load Capacity: 45 lbs
- Internal Volume: 55L
- External Volume : 15L
- Pros: Ultralight. Best-in-class materials. Comfy. Durable. Waterproof fabric. Great value. Excellent weight transfer. Good value.
- Cons: Not seam taped. Usually sold out. Non aerated back paneling.
Hyperlite Mountain Gear Unbound 55
The Hyperlite Mountain Gear Unbound 55 takes everything we love about the brand’s signature best selling ultralight backpacks, and dials in a few of the features for an overall improvement; though it’s not strictly better. Unbound retains the signature white seam-taped Dyneema roll-top body, but gets significantly larger side pockets, and swaps the static front pocket for Dyneema stretch mesh fabric; expandable yet very durable. That pocket continues downward to form an underside pocket, offering bonus storage for small items. Relative to the Southwest and Windrider, Unbound has a bit less frame and less weight transfer, but none of them have load lifters anyway.
- Weight: 31.0 oz
- Price: $399
- Materials: Dyneema. DCH 50 top DCH 150 bottom
- Frame: Contoured aluminum stay, 1/4″ foam back panel
- Load Capacity: 40 lbs
- Internal Volume: 55L
- External Volume : 9L
- Pros: Waterproof. Durable. Ultralight. Massive side pockets. Reverse pull hip belt. Good front pocket system. Bottom pocket.
- Cons: Expensive. External rear stretch pocket has no slack. No load lifters. Frame could have better transfer.
Outdoor Vitals CS40 Ultra
At just 27 oz, the Outdoor Vitals CS40 Ultra is one of the lightest framed ultralight backpacks in our arsenal, and is surprisingly fully-featured. It’s built with dual carbon fiber stays topped out with load lifters for weight transfer. The body consists of waterproof, hyper-durable UltraX fabric, and a comfy foam back panel with aeration channels. Drawbacks to this one are its traditional (AKA rippable) mesh front pocket, slightly too small side pockets, and the fact that it isn’t available in a 50-60L volume option.
Read more in our full-length Outdoor Vitals CS40 Review.
- Weight: 27 oz
- Price: $329
- Materials: Challenge UltraWeave 200
- Frame: 2 Carbon Fiber Stays, Foam Back Panel
- Load Capacity: 35 lbs
- Internal Volume: 41L
- External Volume : 12L
- Pros: Very ultralight. Challenge ULTRA fabric is durable and waterproof. Comfy. Load lifters. Premium performance.
- Cons: Expensive. Rear pocket is stretch mesh. Side pockets are a bit small. 40L size is less versatile than 50L+.
Evolved Supply Co. The Space Ranger
The relatively new Evolved Supply Co Space Ranger doesn’t introduce any new tech or original concepts, but takes what’s already been done and optimizes it to near-flawless perfection. We absolutely love the massive, stretchy, durable front mesh pocket; one of the best in biz. Its Challenge EcoPak body fabric is a high performance composite on par with Xpac, but a step below Ultra and Dyneema. The frame consists of dual aluminum stays that support load lifters. And on top of that, the shoulder pads are delightfully cushy. Minor drawbacks include the use of a tier 1.5 fabric, no back panel aeration, and no horizontal frame structure.
Read more in our full length Evolved Supply Co Space Ranger Review.
- Weight: 32.0 oz
- Price: $330
- Materials: Challenge EcoPak Ultra, Venom UL stretch mesh
- Frame: Dual aluminum stays, foam back sheet
- Load Capacity: 35 lbs
- Internal Volume: 48L
- External Volume : 12L
- Pros: No major flaws! Ultralight. Waterproof composite fabric. Good stretch mesh. Recycled materials. Great pockets, including bottom pocket. Made in USA.
- Cons: Lacks distinction. No horizontal frame structure. Non-aerated back panel. Incomplete seam taping.
Gossamer Gear Mariposa 60
Gossamer Gear Mariposa is one of the original ultralight backpacks, and justifiably one of the most popular of all time. While it lacks a fancy composite fabric like Ultra or Dyneema, it makes up for it in features, including; load lifters; a bonus top zipper and top side pocket; a sit pad back panel, and a movement friendly hip belt configuration called the Pivot frame. Drawbacks include lack of waterproof fabric, and use of lower durability traditional stretch mesh on the front pocket. It could also shave a few ounces.
Read more in our Gossamer Gear Mariposa review.
- Weight: 34.7 oz
- Price: $315
- Materials: Recycled Robic Nylon, 100d & 210D
- Frame: Closed shape aluminum, sit pad back panel
- Load Capacity: 35 lbs (estimate)
- Internal Volume: 36L
- External Volume : 24L
- Pros: Massive external storage suite. Eco-friendly design. Good value. Ultralight. Frame-hip belt mobility. Sit pad included. Lid pocket. S-curve shoulder straps.
- Cons: Not made with best-in-class composite fabrics. Heavy-end of ultralight spectrum. Delicate stretch mesh.
CTUG Ultralight Backpack 50L
The Chicken Tramper Outdoor Gear Ultralight Backpack is unique in that its frame is made out of carbon fiber arrow shafts; incredibly sturdy and great weight transfer. The body fabric is Xpac, and comes in a myriad of fun colors. This material is a small step below Ultra and Dyneema, but still quite waterproof and durable. It has very sizable front and side mesh pockets; this version of diver mesh is the most durable we’ve ever tested, but scrapes up the back of your hand if you rummage too much. While performance and aesthetics are excellent, the annoying thing is actually buying one. Not only is it very expensive and does not come with hip belt pockets, you also have to wait for a multi-month lead time.
Read more in our Chicken Tramper Pack Review.
- Weight: 32.0 oz
- Price: $450
- Materials: Xpac VX-21
- Frame: Carbon fiber arrow shafts
- Load Capacity: 35 lbs
- Internal Volume: Unlisted, estimate 40L
- External Volume : Unlisted, estimate 15L
- Pros: Ultralight. Excellent load transfer. Massive external storage. Very comfy. Waterproof fabric. Complimentary sit pad back panel. Durable. Custom sizing and colors. Y-Strap top, CCF pad straps on bottom.
- Cons: Made-to-order lead time. Does not come with hip belt pockets. Abrasive mesh.
Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight Carbon 60 Ultralight Backpack
Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight Carbon 60 offers the rare combination of a (slightly) sub-two-pound weight, a load transferring frame, all for under $300. What’s more, this pack is smothered in features, including dual top side pockets, load lifters, and a very comfy cushy back panel. We dislike the vertical front zipper pocket, but are more than willing to forgive that choice because of how much we like the rest of the pack. Shadowlight’s frame consists of two carbon fiber stays connected to load lifters, but lacks horizontal structure. Biggest drawback is that it’s not made with waterproof composite fabric.
Read more in our full-length Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight Carbon Review.
- Weight: 31.5 oz
- Price: $275
- Materials: 100d Robic Nylon main
- Frame: 2 carbon fiber stays
- Load Capacity: 40 lbs
- Internal Volume: 49L
- External Volume : 15L
- Pros: Ultralight. Large volume. Great value. Lots of external storage. Frame transfers load to hips well. Comfy back panel.
- Cons: Unnecessary front zipper interferes with mesh pocket. Side pockets are a bit shallow. Does not use ULTRA or Dyneema for main fabric. Wide.
Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus
The Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus is our preferred full-size frameless ultralight backpack, and weighs just 18 oz. The simple roll-top design utilizes Challenge EcoPak for a waterproof solution, or UltraGrid for an economical option. Unlike many other packs, instead of mesh, you get a burly, static fabric front pocket that protects your gear from light moisture and resists abrasion. Alan has used this pack to great success while guiding in Alaska. Biggest drawback to this, and all other frameless packs, is lack of weight transfer.
- Weight: 18 oz
- Price: $325
- Materials: Challenge Ultra 100/200
- Frame: Frameless, with optional foam sit pad back panel
- Load Capacity: 25 lbs
- Internal Volume: 48L
- External Volume : 10L
- Pros: Ultralight. Waterproof fabric. Extremely durable. Great pockets. Elegant design. Alan’s pet pack.
- Cons: Frameless – no weight transfer. Low load capacity. 7-10 week lead time. Only compatible with full ultralight kit. Hip belt pockets are not complimentary.
REI Co-op Flash 55
REI Flash 55 is the Co-op’s flagship lightweight backpacking pack, and the best seller on this list due to its affordable price point and user-friendly design. At 45 oz abd featuring a traditional “brain” top compartment, it’s not like the other roll top ultralight backpacks on this list. That said, it has a comfortable carry with load lifters, padded back panel, and copious external storage. Obviously, it could be lighter and more water resistant, but it’s hard to do much better for just over two hundred dollars.
Compare to the lighter version in Flash vs Flash Air.
- Weight: 45 oz
- Price: $219
- Materials: 100D & 210D recycled Robic ripstop nylon
- Frame: 3.5mm spring steel spanning perimeter with cross brace, contoured aerated foam panel
- Load Capacity: 30 lbs
- Internal Volume: 55L
- External Volume: Not provided, 10L estimated
- Pros: Lightweight. Incredible value. Customizable. Good load transfer. Bonus exterior pockets. Lid storage.
- Cons: Not quite ultralight.
PRO TIP | How Big of an Ultralight Backpack Do You Need?
It may surprise you, but often times we believe a bigger ultralight backpack is better than a smaller slimmer one. We like packs in the 55L range (assuming you don’t take the extra volume as a license to fill it with unnecessary items!) First, more volume makes it easier to pack and unpack.
That is, it’s time consuming to try and shove your gear into too small of a space. And it’s just as difficult to unpack or find items in a solid brick-like mass. Second, it’s not good to crush your down bag and jacket, and it takes them a lot longer to loft up if they’ve been crushed to the size of a grapefruit.
We use large backpacks and stuff sacks to avoid this. Last and certainly not least, many times the larger volume model of an ultralight backpack is only a ounce more, e.g. the HMG Southwest 3400 vs. 2400 or the MLD Exodus 55L vs the Prophet 48L. In addition, that extra volume makes your ultralight backpack a more versatile and flexible purchase, changing a backpack used for a quick weekend overnight into a week long trip with a bear canister.
So yeah, while a smaller ultralight backpack may look all pro and sleek, most times the larger pack is far more practical and user friendly, so long as it is also lightweight and you don’t overpack because of the extra space.
PRO TIP | Why Pockets Really Matter
While in general we’re a bit skeptical of unnecessary pack features, we love pockets! Nothing is more time consuming and frustrating than trying to find the need-it-right-now item buried deep in the main bag of your pack. As such, we use all available pockets to store cameras, gear, food and clothing where we can quickly access them during our hike.
Hopefully we only go into the main pack at lunch and when we get into camp for the night. We especially like pockets we can access without stopping or taking our pack off. In particular, large hip-belt pockets, and side pockets that are designed so we can reach back and get things out of (e.g. a water bottle or jacket) while hiking. Finally, remember to put the same things in the same pocket all the time!
Mesh Pockets vs Solid Fabric Pockets?
We prefer solid fabric pockets on our packs. That being said, mesh pockets are quite popular on many major brand packs. They have the advantage of being able to see what is in them, and that they allow for wet things like socks to dry during the day. They also are usually stretchy and do a good job of keeping gear snugged up against the pack body.
But mesh pockets have the disadvantage of being far more delicate than solid fabric pockets as they catch, snag and tear easily. Most times they are the first things to fail on a pack — especially if you hike on anything but wide open easy trails. Second, they do a much poorer job of keeping dust, spay and other debris off of your gear. Finally while mesh pockets may look lighter, it rarely is much lighter than a solid fabric pocket. As such we get all our packs with solid fabric pockets if possible.
Summary
So yeah, while a streamlined backpack with few external pockets may look slick, leave them to climbers. A backpack with lots of pockets is far more practical and will save you a bunch of time and frustration trying to find things.
For more reading on tips to best use pockets: Efficient Backpacking Tips | Easily Increase Mileage and Fun
PRO TIP | Ultralight Backpack Comfort
No matter what pack you use, unless you are a NFL linebacker, carrying 40 pounds is not comfortable. Or put another way, the total weight of your pack is the most important factor for your bodies comfort — not the packs brilliant design features! As such, the number one thing you can do for “pack comfort” is to shave a bit of weight. Every bit helps!
Yes, a pack with a stiffer frame and a wide, padded hip-belt will help soften the pain of a heavy pack from your shoulders and hips. But that does not equal comfort as your weight goes above 30 pounds. And your hip joints, legs, knees, feet, lungs and heart will feel the full pack-weight every step!
That being said, some packs do a better job of transferring pack weight to the hips and have more comfortable shoulder straps. Osprey packs like the Exos and Eja packs do well in these areas, although the Hyperlite Mountain Gear, and Z-Packs also do well and weigh less. In our opinion a wide hip-belt with sufficient padding like on the HMG packs works better than more heavily padded and “ergonomically” sculpted hip-belts used on heavier packs.
How to Lower Your Pack Weight To Make An Ultralight Backpack Comfier
Look at our 9 Pound Backpacking Gear List. This will give you lots of ideas on how to shave weight out of your pack. A 9 pound pack is all you need to be happy, safe and warm. So, if you want to lower your pack weight but retain all the convenience and comfort of “traditional” backpacking, look no further than this Lightweight Backpacking Gear List. This backpacking gear is suitable for most backpackers on most 3-season trips in the lower 48 and even trips world-wide.
PRO TIP | Pros and Cons of a Waterproof Ultralight Backpack
Packs made with composite textiles like Dyneema and Challenge ULTRA with taped seams have the advantage of being nearly waterproof. When combined with DCF stuff sacks or other nearly-waterproof sacks you won’t need a rain cover. As such, you pack your pack the same way every day whether it’s raining or not, and you save the weight and hassle of a pack cover. Drier pack and contents with less aggravation equals peace of mind.
One downside of DCF packs is that they are about $100 more expensive than the same pack in standard nylon. This is because the fabric is expensive and hard to procure. And because it requires specialized equipment and processes to make gear from it. The second downside is that for now only cottage and smaller manufactures offer packs in DCF which means limited sources and sometimes a 2-4 week wait for your pack to made and delivered.
PRO TIP | Skip the Rain Cover
So most pack covers don’t really keep your pack dry, they weigh about 1/2 pound, and they add cost. And they are a hassle to take on and off and flap in the wind. One way to skip the rain cover is to use a waterproof pack, such as those made with Dyneema, Ultra, or other composite fabrics. This was discussed above and is our preferred method but it is costly.
A far less costly and still light way to skip a rain cover is use a light waterproof pack liner. There are a number of options:
- The lightest (but inexpensive) option is to use 2x Gossamer Gear Pack Liners. Use (1) liner for sleeping bag and insulating clothes and (1) liner for everything else.
- The lowest cost other option (still light) is to line your pack with a single sturdy trash compactor bag .
- Finally some pack manufactures sell light a waterproof pack liner, these last a longer but usually cost more.
PRO TIP | Bear Canister 101
Bear canisters are becoming part of trail life as more parks require them each year. These are some of the lightest options to meet this requirement
If you want to hike the John Muir Trail, Yosemite, Rocky Mountain Park or many of the Parks in Alaska, you’ll need a bear canister and a backpacking backpack that can hold it. So, it makes sense to purchase a pack that works well with a bear canister. Almost all of our packs will fit a bear canister, although the larger packs with a well-padded back panel will do better.
A note about frameless ultralight backpacks and bear canisters: With some intelligent packing you can carry a bear canister in a frameless pack with an unpadded back. Guiding in Rocky Mountain Park last summer, Alan carried a rigid Wild Ideas Scout bear canister with 5 days of food and guide gear in his Exodus DCF Frameless Backpack, saving himself around 3 to 4 pounds versus a standard UL pack and a Bear Vault BV500 canister.
Which Bear Canister Is Right for You?
Above from left to right: Ursack, Bear Vault, and Wild Ideas
First, check your Park and see which bear storage they require (approved canisters). And a fair warning that there is no consistency between parks about what they require so you will need to check the specific reg’s of each park you plan on visiting. The largest certifying organizations are IGBC or Interagency Grizzly Bear Committee, SEKI (Sequoia and Kings Canyon Parks), and Yosemite. Many other parks like Rocky Mountain National Park have their own requirements. Yeah, don’t get us started on a unified US certification! Once you know the requirements pick one of the three storage options below:
- LIGHTEST if allowed: Ursack Bear Bag (7.6 oz) | The very lightest and the first choice for bear storage. But only if the Ursack is approved in your park! So check the reg’s. These highly preferable when wearing an ultralight backpack.
- VALUE: Bear Vault BV450 (33 oz) Bear Vault BV500 (41 oz) | The Bearvault BV-450 and BV500 hit the sweet spot for weight, cost, and availability. The only downside is that they are somewhat heavier than Wild-Ideas canisters. We can get ~5 days in a BV450 and ~7-8 days in a BV500 canister. Great with any backpacking backpack
- LIGHTEST RIGID CAN: Wild Ideas Scout (28 oz) or larger Wild-Ideas Weekender (31 oz) Best performance, best for an ultralight backpack
Tip bring compact, calorie-dense food: Pack the right food and you can get a few more days out of a smaller bear canister like the Bearvault BV-450 above. Not only will you have less food weight (for the same amount of calories), but the smaller canister will leave more room in your backpacking backpack for gear. What’s not to like?
REI Co-op Flash 55 and Flash Air 50
Best Ultralight Backpack Conclusion
Thank you for reading our guide to the best ultralight backpack, where we hope you found your new favorite gear hauler. We’ve optimized this selection for on-trail performance, rather than sheer weight minimization. If you’re previous pack is fully built out 5 pounder, we’re sure any one of these models will constitute a massive upgrade to your overall backcountry experience. Happy hiking!
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Thanks so much for this update. I am in need of a lighter pack and this is a very thorough review of the current offerings. I can find lots of info about the major players, but good to see some use info on packs from the smaller builders.
Thanks for saying. Appreciate the kind words. Happy trails!
Any thoughts on the Gossamer Gear Gorilla 50 compared against the Durston Kakwa 55 or even the ULA Ultra Circuit?
Sure! To be clear, all three are good packs. I would take either the Kakwa (in ULTRA) or the ULTRA Circuit over the GG Gorilla 50 because they’re made with waterproof hyper durable fabrics fabric, and I prefer their pocket materials/configurations. Also noting that the Gorilla 50 is more comparable in size to the Kakwa 40 and the Circuit SV (small volume), while the Mariposa is similar to Kakwa 55 and Ultra Circuit.
Hi, thanks for the extended review.
If you can find the Vaude Wizard 24+4 I’m sure it would rise to the top for most versatile, And they are indestructible. I’ve carried many rocks (collecting them) in mine over years. Remarkable pack.
Quite the burly looking pack. Thanks for the suggestion!
Seems like a real miss not to include the Durston Kakwa 55 in this list of new packs. I see your comment re not in stock at all sizes, but that shouldn’t disqualify it – it’s in demand and getting scooped up. Just got mine and looking forward to trying it out once I get out of winter here!
Any thoughts on the Durston Kakwa 40 or 55? Thanks in advance!
Green light on the Durston Kakwa from our team. Unless you want a dedicated super ultralight pack, we’d 100% go with the 55. We’ve been tracking its stock, but hesitated to include on the list as there isn’t a complete size run available at time of posting.
Hi Jaeger,
I can’t tell from the photos (here or on Durston’s website) of the Kakwa 55 if a 1 ltr bottle holder such as CTUG or Zpacks can be mounted on the shoulder straps with ease. Do you see it as possible?
Thanks!
Hi Matthew,
Good question. It’s really hard to say because Durston makes new micro-adjustments to the design every year, so my experience with past Kakwas is not guaranteed to reflect current version, and the web photography may not either. So my advice would be to ask him directly. I would guess yes though, as I believe there have always been daisy chain webbing loops tracing the length of the shoulder straps. You would just have to cut off the built-ins.
Hi Alan,
How do you carry the ultralight backpacks in airplanes?. Since the materials/suspension are light, they are likely to get damaged in check-in process. If I pack it in a large suitcase – I am not sure where to leave the suitcase when I start the backpacking trip
Also, how durable is Caldera Keg-F system and how often do you need to replace the Keg
If you get one of the more rugged DCF (e.g. HMG), and now new Ultra Fabric packs (MLD Exodus) they are more than up to the abuse of check-in for carry on. In fact we just did this a few weeks agao with with a coastal walk in the UK. No problems. Just walked off the plane grabbed a train, and went hiking. Best, -a
sorry little late but most airlines provide clear garbage bags for checked backpacks. completed the colorado trial in July and it went well flying to Denver. Pack everything internally with poles etc..l.
or ship ahead poles, stakes, knife, etc and carry as carryon luggage.
You can also, use your pack as your carry-on piece. I did this recently on a trip to the Bolivian Altiplano. Worked fine for a 3 leg flight. Best, -alan
“Guiding in Rocky Mountain Park last summer, Alan carried a rigid Wild Ideas Scout bear canister with 5 days of food and guides gear in his Exodus DCF Backpack”
hey alan. with this combo (scout + exodus) was there any barrelling of the back of the pack? how did you orient the can inside the pack? is there room for padding in the form of clothing or foam to avoid barreling and hard corners digging into your back? could you feel the can at all?
I own a scout and I’m considering a prophet (same dimensions as the exodus, just shorter in the extension) but want to make sure they ride comfortably together.
Hi William, good Q. With the Wild Ideas Scout bear canister in the Exodus, you need to put it in vertically and then pad around it in the sides of the can in the spinal area of the pack. Also my sleeping bag is in the bottom of the pack and then the can goes on top of it. That keeps the critical hip belt, lower lumbar area comfortable. Hope this helps. Warmest, -alan
I love the new bag!! The bags by the testers give me great ideas on what fabrics to use.
I have a piece of waxed canvas that will work well.
Thanks for all the pictures Shoulders Bags
Gift Bag, not exactly sure what you are talking about. Waxed canvas would certainly be a retro way to go for a backpack. And not sure what pictures you are talking about. Best, -alan
Hey Alan – Can you recommend the lightest pack that also offers the best weight transfer to the hips? I have a bad back and need to avoid anything that pushes down on my shoulders and compresses my lumbar. I should mention I’m tall too (6’5”) with a long torso (21”-24” depending on the pack). Thanks.
I’m currently in the backcountry but will respond when I return.
I’m currently out in the backcountry but will respond when I return.
Jolly G, look at the Z-Packs Arc Blast, it had the best weight transfer. Best, -alan
Hi Alan,
My wife and I are backpacking beginners and I have been doing some research on equipment. We are trying to go fairly light but don’t think we will get down to “ultralight” status quite yet. I was just about to order the Zpacks Arc Zip Ultra 62L for me and the Zpacks Women’s Arc Haul Ultra for my wife when I cam across your article “Best Backpacking Backpacks for 2022”. Like Jolly G. wrote to you in June 2020 I have a cranky back + knees + hips (64 years old and 40 years playing squash). I sweat a lot in the heat so am looking for a backpack that would be both as cool as possible while transferring as much weight to my hips as possible. Your thoughts on these two packs and your other suggestions / recommendations would be greatly appreciated. All the best!
The Zpacks Arc Haul is an excellent pack with great weight transfer. These are full on ultralight packs though. You might also consider the new Osprey Exos Pro 55 which weighs just two pounds and boasts great weight transfer and excellent back aeration.
Thanks for the great info. I’m new to backpacking and after much research have decided to go lightweight…not ultra light or standard weight. Your info has really helped me narrow things down. After much research, I’m down to three packs and really appreciate your insight as all three are on your list. I will make a point to visit your site regularly for more tips and info.
All the best!
Lillers, nice to hear from you and glad you find the site useful. I am hitting the backcountry for 10 days starting tomorrow morning. And I don’t know which three packs you are looking at. Happy to help you when I am out. Warmest, -alan
Lillers, I am back. Let me know what packs you are interested in and I will do me best to help. Warmets, -alan
There’s a feature of the ULA packs that you might not have fully appreciated: Their hipbelts! As a short, very curvy woman with a booty, I find it difficult to get a good pack fit, especially the hipbelt. The ULA let me choose the size of my pack, the type of shoulder straps, and the size of hipbelt. I have a small pack and XL hipbelt. PLUS their hipbelt design lets me adjust the top and bottom of the hipbelt to fit my curves.
Yes Darcy, ULA does a great job fitting women, and customized fit in general. I was one of the first men to realize that the “women’s” S shaped shoulder straps were actually more comfortable for men too. That being said, there is a great amount of adjustability in the Granite Gear Crown packs. And Gossamer Gear & Zpack both allow you to choose your hip belt size independent of the pack size. Best, -alan
Thanks for the post. I found it very interesting. Looking forward to reading more reviews on this site. I’ve seen on several other lists that the REI Flash 55 received positive reviews. Curious if you have taken a look at it and whether you consider it a worthy pack or not? Thanks for your sharing your views.
Yours
Jon
Yup Jon, on the radar. We are evaluating the pack. Stay tuned. -alan
Great writeup – lots of solid info, especially for those just getting into UL. I have several UL packs, some homemade, some from cottage vendors. But I’ve settled on a relatively heavy framed pack – even for short trips in which I could fit what I need in a UL pack – because the heavy framed pack fits and distributes the weight well that I cannot distinguish a difference when I use it vs a pack that weighs a quarter of the weight. I’m as surprised as anyone could be that I’m saying this. I have absolutely nothing against the packs you mention here – they are all great; maybe I just found that magical perfect pack for my body frame.
Hi Greg, Whatever works. Hike your own hike. Altho, I do point out that the #1 factor for pack comfort is total-pack weight. And after a 20 mile day those extra pounds can really grind you down physically and mentally. For loads under 20 lb, and definitely under 15 lb, my preference is to go frameless without a hip belt. If find this the ultimate in freedom of movement and joy on the trail. To each their own. Best, -alan
Hey Alan, have you done a separate review of the HMG pods anywhere? I’ve seen Ryan use them extensively and wondered if & how you use them for packing.
I have not reviewed them elsewhere. I use both pod, roll-top and regular stuffs. Each has its strengths. Pods are really nice if you need to be able to see and find gear in the stuff, and of corse for fitting exactly in the pack’s crossection. For something like a sleeping bag, a standard stuff is actually better. Best, -alan
Hi Alan,
In the “Who is Adventure Alan” YouTube video you are wearing a water bottle holder on the shoulder strap of your HMG SW 2400. Who manufactures that water bottle holder and where can I find it? As you know getting water bottles in/out of the side pockets of the HMG SW can be a chore and I am looking for a better system to access my drinking water while on trail.
Thanks!
And to be a bit more specific I almost always carry Smartwater 1L bottles so the water bottle holders manufactured by HMG aren’t a good fit.
Will,
I watched the video and zoomed in on one of the stable shots. It’s an Essentia water bottle pouch. I did a google search and couldn’t find it anywhere.
If you can’t find it, just do a search for ‘water bottle holder’ or ‘water bottle pouch’ and maybe add in the word ‘backpacking’ and there are many vendors including many of the ultralight tent/backpack manufacturers.
In addition you can find tons of options for making your own. You can do it using parachord and/or elastic chord (and even hair ties!).
if using elastic line, just put one strap at the top (just below the cap’s shoulder) and then one at the bottom.
For parachord, You’d probably have to be a bit more creative to ensure that it holds, but there’s several DIY videos that can show you.
Will, it’s a Mountain Laurel Designs SHOULDER STRAP BOTTLE POCKET. Best, -alan
Thank you, Alan! I just purchased the Circuit based on many and your recommendations. It’s actually not a huge pack like everyone makes it out to seem. I look at the internal volume of a pack for my main criteria. The main volume in the circuit is only 2,400 CU IN (40L) same as my HMG 2,400! I’m glad I went Circuit over Ohm 2.0
Glad you like the pack Jason. Wishing you a great year of hiking. Warmest, -alan
I can’t find a pack that ticks all my boxes; should I take the huge leap and make my own?
40 ltr
Frameless
Under 28 ounces
BV 500 low & horizontal
Solidly anchored compression straps on the front; not on the sides (for skimo style ski carry, snowshoes, etc)
Super fast one strap – one buckle roll top that doesn’t come undone
No laminates anywhere. Meaning DCF or xPac.
Def no Velcro either. Same for zippers.
Water bottles on the belt towards the back, phone on the shoulder.
Full height side pockets for 3 liter Platys when in the desert.
No compromise on any of these.
Hi Chris, thanks for those incredibly detailed spec’s ;-) I know of no pack that comes close to have all these features. Guessing you’ve already suspected this, but you’ll need to sew your own or have someone sew it for you. Alison and I had somebody sew us two custom, to our spec’s “Canyon Specific” Frameless Backpacks for our canyoneering trips in UT. It can be done. Wishing you all the best creating your dream pack. Warmest, -alan & alison
BTW FWIW we prefer our canisters on the top of the pack. -a2
Chris,
I’m by no means an expert and I am not endorsing a brand, but in my quest I came across the Zimmerbuilt packs. I emailed Chris and he was very responsive. I almost pulled the trigger on having him build me a pack. It would be very similar to what’s on his site in an attempt to keep the customization down (and thus the cost). I didn’t have near as many requirements as you…although I do understand the desire to put a BV500 low and horizontal. Actually, you can seem my quest directly below your post. Please pardon the wordi-ness. Chris’s packs were some of the least expensive custom packs out there. I had a limited budget and had to cross out some of the other custom shops.
In the end, I went with a brand I can get at the local ‘three-letter-outdoor-enthusiast-store’ for one sole reason: I could try it on and I knew it fit me right and fit well. Don’t get me wrong, the pack I got actually fit all my desire-ments save for one. Putting the BV500 horizontally in the pack at about the crook of my back. But that wasn’t a deal breaker. I figure that I can recoup the space by packing better and less (which I’ve confirmed I can do in my new pack).
BTW, most of the well known ultra-light pack companies will modify their design to fit your requirements…save for maybe the horizontal bear can placement. But if you know of a pack that you like and know it fits you well, it might be worth a call to see if they’ll do the work.
Good luck with your quest. It can be daunting and challenging to find the right kit. It’s an investment; researching till your eyes ache and searching out leaders in the community, like Alan here, is certainly worth the effort.
Thanks for the input Alan and EC.
Zimmerbuilt is amazingly affordable.
For my specs to work out the bear can needs to be outside the pack body.
I was thinking something along these lines, although the one profiled here is framed I believe:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BoEkqmTFLVo/
Alan, (sorry for what’s to be a long email)
So I’m whittling down my selection on a backpack. It’s tough because so man of them aren’t available at local stores and, like shoes and pants, you never know how it will fit until you try it on.
REI recently started carrying the HMG 2400 and 3400 packs. I spent about an hour there trying it on with weight and fiddling with it. I added about 35 lbs and it felt really comfy. I then tyed with a weighted bear canister to figure out how it would fit. I tried it on top, but it slid out the side as I couldn’t cinch down the y-strap. But I figure for a 4-5 day trip I could put it inside a 3400 along with my stuff.
So, with all that said, I was wondering if you had any guidance between three packs
1) HMG 3400
2) Katabatic Onni Liteskin 50L
3) Zimmer Built of similar size, but customized just a little.
All three are probably overkill for my skill and level of travel. but I figure buy once, cry once.
Cost:
HMG 3400: $345
Onni LS 50: $325
Zimmer: ~$315 (w/ aluminum stay), might increase with some mods
Materials
HMG: Dyneema Composite
ONNI: XPac or similar
Zimmer: XPac (although could do Dyneema, but for more cost)
Note: I’ve heard that XPac might be more durable than Dyneema, but not sure about XPac vs HMG’s composite.
Weight
HMG: 32 oz stock
Onni: 29 Oz (medium)
Zimmer: ~31 oz (depending on what I add)
Other stuff
HMG: I was considering having the waste belt be custom with a nylon webbing strap instead of their pockets so I can add my own pockets, this would be an additional cost. Their pods are made for their packs and might help with keeping things organized. Some have said their belt pockets are a bit small
ONNI: This has some kind of ribbed foam that supposedly helps keep your back drier. Some people have complained about their belt pockets.
ZImmer: totally customizable from the get go. No real complaints.
I almost pulled the trigger with the Zimmer, but I’m worried about fit. I’ve read many stories where folks just can’t get a pack to fit them well, but works for many others. This is not a complaint with Zimmer, but for packs in general (for instance, I don’t like how the Osprey Atmos AG fits…I don’t like the belt). I’ve looked at Gossamer Gear, Granite Gear, ZPacks, and others. But I keep coming back to these three.
So, I’m hoping that you have some insight on how you chose the HMG. have you ever tried any other cottage industry packs? Maybe one of the other’s I’ve listed. Any help you can provide would be great.
Thanks for your time.
All the best,
Ed
Hi Ed. Apologies for the late reply. I was on a 100 mile trek and just got back. Unfortunately, it is not possible to test and review all packs on the market. As such, I don’t have enough familiarity with ONNI or Zimmer to opine with any authority. I will say that in general I prefer Dyneema to XPac. And yes, pack fit is personal altho as I say in my pack guide, the #1 think you can do for pack comfort is carry less weight. To that end, you might consider shedding weight with some of the gear in our 9 Pound Full Comfort Lightweight Backpacking Gear List. Or do it for free by reducing your food weight with our 2019 Best Backpacking Food – simple and nutritious. There are things here that will definitly improve your backcountry experience without the vaugaries of pack fit. And reducing the food weight is free. Wishing some great backpacking over the next year. Warmest, -alan
Hi,
Can you do a review of the Dan Durston 43L pack when it is available? It was just listed on Massdrop as a preorder for $120. I got one, but they won’t be delivered until April :). It is 29 oz, highly water resistant, has shoulder and hip belt pockets, internal frame, load lifters, and a bungee type expandable front pocket. The price is phenomenal. A BV 450 will fit inside. Hope it delivers all it promises. I haven’t seen anything at this weight and with these designs ever at this price point.
Hi Terri. Good Q and it is on the radar. Just out of the backcountry guiding clients for a couple of weeks. So yes, I am scheduled to receive one of the DD packs from Massdrop this spring and assuming it’s decent I will add it to my Backpack Guide. Best, -alan
Great list. Like how you separated into 3 categories. I know you Eos but another light framed pack that’s often overlooked is Osprey Talon 44 at 36oz. They also now have Levity but seems rather fragile.
Hello!
Your site is great. I think it helped convince me that ultralight wasn’t just a ridiculous goal to have.
I am trying to decide between two packs. My goal is a pack that I can carry on (or very close to carry on size as I’m good at charming the airlines) or check through, as well as do mostly weekend but occasional 3-5 day backpack trips. Kind of a one bag for all. Base weight is currently around 15-18 lbs but I’m looking to continue to go lighter.
I’m 6’2″ 165 lbs 20″ torso. I require a small waistbelt.
I’m looking at the 3400 southwest HMG, but I have to pay full price and order a custom removable waistbelt which makes it $400.
I’m also looking at getting the Circuit ULA but customizing it with all white VX42.
I’m scared to go without load lifters as they’ve been very helpful (I feel) on my Osprey Kestrel 38.
Any help is appreciated!
Hi Dilley, apologies for the late reply. I was in the backcountry when you posted your comment and then it slipped through the cracks. My suggestion is to get your base weight in the range of 10-12 pounds. That should not be all that difficult or expensive. At that point, load lifters are not as important for pack comfort. Alison has tender shoulders and does not have issues with the HMG pack. But honestly, while Alison and I prefer the HMG Packs, the ULA pack is a better vale. Getting the standard Circuit and lining with the a trash compactor bag or the Gossamer Gear Pack Liners would be the most bang for the buck. You can use the $ you save to replace some of your other heavy gear. Hope this helps. Warmest, -alan & alison
I am a small woman whose old backpack, a Gregory Diva, is falling apart. I need a large capacity pack with a small hipbelt and lots of outside pockets. I see that you also recommend pockets. But none of your most recommended packs have good and numerous pockets. Do you know of any that do? I’m so tired of looking at the same bullet design made by every single company. Thank you!
Hi Laura,
Apologies for the late reply. Alison and I are just back at a computer after a month of guiding Alaska’s Brooks Range and then some personal trips in Alaska. Now digging out of the backlog of being away from the internet for a considerable amount of time. First, just curious how many pockets you want and where do you think you want them. This would be useful to know. Second, the Z-packs fully configured could have as many as 9 pockets, 2 hip belt, 2 shoulder straps, 4 side pockets, and the rear bucket pocket. The Gossamer Gear Mariposa has 7 standard if you include the lid pocket, and you can bring that up to 9 by adding two additional shoulder strap pockets. The HMG pack can also take two very nice add-on shoulder strap pockets. Finally, there are some custom shops that cold sew you one with pockets to your spec’s. Also don’t forget cargo short/pants as another place to store gear. Hope this helps. Warmest, -alan & alison
Thank you! I just got back from a trip, also. I like the old style side pockets, with plenty of room in them. Think old external frame pockets. I need a frame that will carry expedition weight, too. I like the idea of custom shops, just not sure where to find a reputable one near DC. Right now I’m looking at the youth-size Gregory Wander and a few Ospreys, but usually the hipbelts on Ospreys, no matter what they say, are not for xs women.
Hey Alan, PLEASE remove the Wild Ideas cans from here. Bears have destroyed them in one minute, multiple times. It really irritates me that the Sierra Bear group still lists these as certified. Thanks.
Hi Alan,
Your site has been invaluable for understanding gear in preparation for my section hike. I’m going to try the hammock camping on the AT!
I appreciated your article about the Mantis. The ship date is after my hike starts. I need to put together my beginner hammock kit. Pack is Silnylon Burn 13oz. I prefer a larger fly since I’ll likely experience heavy rains.
I’m looking for information about easy and intuitive suspension – what suspension should I source that is intuitive and easy?
I’ve narrowed down my choices of hammock:
Dutchware Half Zip with Net 15.5 oz Whoopie Hook Suspension w/ 4ft Huggers – prefer this brand
Blackbird 15 oz Whoopies w/Dynaweave Straps – $200 – the inner shelf seems useful
Tarp is Blackbird Superfly $135 – I’m willing to take the weight
Kelty TripTease Lightline
Kungix Stakes 7″ Aluminium
I’d love to hear what you would try for suspension as a beginner. My hike starts in 5 weeks!
Thank you for all your contributions to the community :)
Jaclyn
Hi Jaclyn, super excited you are going to hammock camp on the AT. The Dutchware Half Zip is a great choice. If you want a very simple, beginner friendly suspension system I would get the “Mantis Complete Suspension (Includes the following: 2 – 12′ spider daisy chain straps, 2 – mantis).” Doesn’t get easier than this. BUT one thing you should consider is the Dutchware COMPLETE NETTED HAMMOCK PACKAGE for only $280. It’s way easier and less expensive than piecing together your own kit. Hope this helps and wishing you a great AT hike. Warmest, -alan & alison
Thank you Alan! That complete kit saves me a lot of time and potential mistakes.
If I get the Sil Poly Xenon Tarp I’m concerned it will soak in water weight on rainy nights. Part of the reason I feel confident doing the AT is because of your awesome 5lb baseweight method! I know you recommend the Cuben Fiber Hex Tarp for your 5lb pack.
Do you think I’ll have additional weight with the Silpoly Xenon during rainstorms? Is it worth the weight savings to upgrade to the CF Tarp? Ideally I thought the CF Winter Palace would be amazing protection for the AT, though it is incredibly pricey for my budget I will be using a CF pack because I would like to avoid additional weight during rainy weather.
Jaclyn, I guess the Q is how often is the tarp going to be saturated on the AT, that it is still soaking wet in the morning when you pack up? My guess is not all that much, e.g. even in an overnight shower it will likely be fairly dry in the AM — and then how often does it rain? Then weigh that information, against the cost of a DCF tarp (more than the entire Dutchware package). If cost were no object, then the DCF tarp has advantages in weight, no-stretching when wet, and low water absorption. BUT frankly, most nights I do not setup a tarp and it sits in my pack for a just in case I get a random (unforecast) rainshower at night. Hopefully this will give you some perspective to better decide. Best, -alan
Thanks Alan, saving the money is definitely a big consideration. You and Alison are an inspiration, a true hiking couple :)
Does this logic on cuben fiber tarps for the AT apply to the Cuben Fiber Packs? The MLD Burn CF pack is $55 more then the Sil – is there significant advantages? I’m skipping the hip pockets / stow pockets / shoulder pockets because of cost, just going to use a basic fanny pack for my daily use gear.
If it were me, I would get the DCF Exodus with all the pockets and skip the DCF tarp. The DCF Exodus is definitely worth the cost. In fact, the Exodus is what I usually bring when hammock camping on the AT as the down (top and bottom quilts) takes up a lot of volume. A waterproof pack is always a great thing with all that down — and pockets are also great. And with how light you seem to be dialing in your kit at, I am guessing that that the Exodus could handle the weight for you. Then you can put all your gear into one highly-water-resistant place. See excerpt below from the pack guide. Best, -a
PRO TIP | How Big a Pack Do You Need?
It may surprise you, but often times we believe a bigger pack is better. We like packs in the 55L range (assuming you don’t take the extra volume as a license to fill it unnecessary items!) First, more volume makes it easier to pack and unpack. That is, it’s time consuming to try and shove your gear into too small of a space. And it’s just as difficult to unpack or find items in a solid brick-like mass. Second, it’s not good to crush your down bag and jacket, and it takes them a lot longer to loft up if they’ve been crushed to the size of a grapefruit. We use large backpacks and stuff sacks to avoid this. Last and certainly not least, many times the larger volume model of a pack is only a ounce more, e.g. the HMG Southwest 3400 vs. 2400 or the MLD Exodus 55L vs the Prophet 48L. In addition, that extra volume makes it a more versatile and flexible purchase, changing a backpack used for a quick weekend overnight into a week long trip with a bear canister.
So yeah, while a smaller pack may look all pro and sexy on your back, most times the larger lightweight pack is far more practical and user friendly.
Hi Alan,
I am partial hiking the AT for 3 months starting May 15th. I plan to spend August in Maine soaking up the sites :)
I am attempting to practice your 8lb Appalachian Trail baseweight method, and I’m having an issue getting my hammock quilts down to 14oz.
The Hammock Gear quilts that I ordered are vastly heavier then the 14oz weight you have listed for yours!
Top quilt is 22 oz – this is a 20 degree Econ short-wide (which feels a little short, and I’m a side sleeper
Under quilt is 19oz – Econ 30 degree 3/4 underquilt. Matches your temp rating but mine comes in at 19oz
How can I get my quilts down to 14-15oz a piece? Right now I’m carrying 13oz more then you just in quilts!
Also, because I am summer hiking, is there a mid-summer date where I can release carrying my underquilt? I have a warm 9oz puffy jacket from Sierra Designs with 3 ounces of down. My hesitation to sending my under quilt home is getting trapped in colder temperatures at elevation. I’m not comfortable handling elevation temperature fluctuations yet.
I was surprised at how different the weight of my quilts are to your listed weights. I am trying to get my weight down.
Any insight you provide is so helpful!
You were right about the Dutchware Gear Netted Hammock kit – t’s awesome and was so easy to obtain
You were also right about Cuben Fiber packs and the MLD Exodus.
Ron thought the Prophet matches my small torso best!
Wishing you an awesome hiking season,
Jaclyn
Hi Jaclyn, my quilts are custom made. I am only 5’8″, and a quiet sleeper with good quilt control. As such, my quilts are significantly narrower and somewhat shorter than most quilts. Then they are +30 quilts (not +20 like yours), made with lighter fabric than the Econ line and have 900 fp down. All that makes them lighter than your quilts, but also makes them cost a crapload more $ than yours. So light but not anywhere near as good a value as your Exon Quilts (but again this is my profession).
Note that a standard size +30 Premium Phoenix underquilt is 12.9 oz. And that a short length, standard width +30 Premium Burrow Top Quilt is 14 oz (and mine is narrower than standard). So you can get very close to 13 to 14 oz each if you to to the premium line. But again not a great value to save just a few ounces for each!
For warm/summer Wx I have a minimal 7.5 oz +40 underquilt that I use — Adam made it specifically for me for this purpose. If it’s warm, I leave it off when I go to bed, and then attach it in the middle of the night as temps drop below 65F or thereabouts. The down jacket doesn’t really help as a substitute for an underquilt as you compress the down under you. And most folks find thaT hammocks without an underquilt are surprisingly cold once temps drop below 60F. Hope this helps. Wishing you a great hike. Warmest, -alan & alison
Oh, and your Down Jacket makes a great supplement that will usually put +30 quilts more in the range of +20 (or thereabouts). -a
Thank you Alan, your advice means a lot to me!
I went for a 20 degree top quilt in a wide so it would serve multiple thru hikes – the AT hammock this year, the PCT ground camping next year in the desert, Sierras, the Pacific Northwest the following year, along with the AZT and Colorado Rockies in the future.
What do you think? Is there a single top quilt that could handle all those temperatures? Am I better off saving the weight on the AT and have a summer 40 degree quilt for summer camping in non alpine conditions? Trying to be minimalist and have one top quilt that can handle different terrains!
If it were me, and this is what I recommend on my site as well, I would go with +30 quilts. And if the forecast is to be colder than I am comfortable in a +30 quilt, then I would supplement it with a warm down jacket and other warm clothing. This is what Alison and do. This “system: is not only lighter but also more flexible. A sort of “layering system” for sleeping. As long as you are not in a cold snap in shoulder season, a +30 quilt with a warm down jacket should suffice for the trips you describe. BUT with the caveat that this for an “average” sleeper — that is every person sleeps different, some sleep warmer some colder. It’s good to know which you are before committing to buying a sleeping bag or quilt. -a
Hi Alan,
I just tried the MLD Prophet with 15lbs and it fits rather unwell- the weight is in the shoulder, there is a shoulder gap, and my shoulders are sore after 30 minutes. The shoulder strap fit is awkward as well. Do you think the ZPacks 55L will fit better and carry the weight in my hips more? I appreciate any advice because I would prefer to go easy on my shoulders. Sincerely, Jaclyn
Hi Jaclyn, some folks just aren’t a good match for frameless packs. My son and I can, and have carried almost 30 pounds in a frameless, hipbelt-less pack (e.g. for long section hikes of the CDT) without and issue. This would be unthinkable for Alison and she has some strong shoulders. So yes, the ZPacks Arc Blast 55 L, should be a revelation for you in terms of getting weight off your shoulders and onto your hips. Only downside is that it is a bit more fiddly with smaller parts. So you will need to treat it with a bit more care. Wishing you some great hiking this year. Warmest, -alan & alison
Thank you Alan, you have been a lifesaver! I was really worried about the 4-6 day carries on the AT with the frameless on my shoulder. I do really like MLD’s pack though, the Cuben Fiber material seems robust! What a durable bag!
Take a look at the Superior Wilderness Designs packs for your next series.
Roger that Benjamin. Warmest, -alan & alison