8 Pound – Appalachian Trail Gear List

Appalachian Trail Gear List

A 9 ounce hammock: This Gear List suggests using a hammock, which on the AT has significant comfort and performance advantages vs. a tent.

A three season (spring, summer, fall) Appalachian Trail Gear List

This gear list is fine tuned to the climate and terrain of the Appalachian trail rather than the more generic 9 Pound – Full Comfort – Lightweight Backpacking Gear List which is intended to cover most of the lower 48. For instance, the AT Gear List suggests using a hammock vs. a tent, since trees are plentiful along the AT, whereas flat, rock-free places to setup a tent and sleep on the ground are scarce. For more on hammocks see: Hammock Camping Series – Part 1 – Advantages of Hammock Camping.

If you aren’t interested in hammock camping, the list also includes and alternative options for traditional (ground) camping. Since most folks will be sleeping in AT shelters it doesn’t make much sense to carry a tent, which will go unused most nights. To save weight, just carry a light tarp in the low probability that there is both no room in the shelter and that it will rain. For more conventional tent & sleeping bag options see: 9 Pound – Full Comfort – Gear List.

This gear list is suitable for most backpackers on most 3-season trips (possibly 3+ season) along the Appalachian Trail (In some instances, you may wish to fine-tune this list to your particular trip needs and/or backpacking style by selecting suitable optional or alternate gear in this list.) I’ve also tried to list a number or items available from major retailers like REI, e.g. the excellent and reasonably priced Outdoor Research Helium II Rain Jacket at only 6.4 ounces!

Appalachian Trail Gear List – Summary with Weights

SECTION TOTALS Lbs
Clothing in Pack (not usually worn) 2.3 Rain jacket, warm jacket, gloves, etc.
Backpack and Gear Packaging 1.3 Backpack, stuff sacks
Sleeping Gear, Hammock, Tarp 3.1 This Gear List suggests using a hammock, which on the AT has significant advantages vs. a tent. See Advantages of Hammock Camping
Alternate Sleeping Gear – Tarp Camping
(alternate to hammock camping)
 3.3 Since most folks will be sleeping in AT shelters it doesn’t make much sense to carry a tent, which will go unused most nights.
Cooking Gear and Water Storage/Treatment 0.8 Stove, pot, cookware, water “bottles” & purification
“Essential” Gear 0.8 Maps, SOS device, first aid kit, headlamp, knife sunscreen and small items not included in above
BASE PACK WEIGHT (BPW)  8.3 BPW = all items in pack = all items above,
less “consumables” (water, food and fuel)
1 Pint of Water 1.0 Average amount carried when hiking (water plentiful)
Food – for a long weekend – 3 days, 2 nights 3.8 See Backpacking Food “…reduce food weight”
Fuel 0.2 4 fl-oz alcohol = 3.2 oz wt
Total of Consumables  5.0  Water, food, and fuel
TRAIL PACK WEIGHT (BPW + consumables) 13.3  For a long weekend – 3 day trip
Clothing Worn and Items Carried (not in pack)  4.3 Not included in pack weight: clothing worn on the trail, hat, shoes, trekking poles, stuff in pockets, etc.
Camera Equipment Gear List (new page) Details for Serious Lightweight Backpacking Cameras

Detail of Gear List Items

Clothing in Pack (not usually worn)

Clothing Item Oz Comments
Rain Jacket Outdoor Research Helium II (6.4)  6.4 From REI: less expensive than many at this weight
RainJacket (alt) Patagonia Alpine HOUDINI (6.0)  Light! Minimal with tough fabric. Pricy
RainJacket (alt) Ultimate Direction, Ultra Jkt 5.9  Light, great ventilation options, built-in mitts
Rain Pants Outdoor Research Helium 6.0 Light. Not insanely expensive
Rainpants (alt) Rain chaps or rain kilt (2.0 oz) For trips with low probability of rain, or warm rain
Mid-layer top North Face TKA 100 Glacier 1/4-Zip 7.9 For use as a mid-layer (and as a “windshirt”)
Windshell Don’t bring anymore If cold & windy, will layer rainjacket over my fleece
Warm jacket West. Mtn. Hooded Flash Jacket 10.5 Warmth Important for rest stops and in camp.
Warm pants Western Mountain. Flash (6.5) CampSaver is one of the few places to get these great pants For colder weather. Or folks that run cold in camp
Warm hat OR Option Balaclava 1.8 Warmer than hat – great for quilt w/o hood!
Warm hat Mtn Hdw Power Stretch Balaclava 1.2 Warmer than hat – great for quilt w/o hood!
Liner gloves DuraGlove ET Charcoal Wool (2.5) Great liner glove – light, warm, durable!
Camp gloves Glacier Glove fingerless fleece (2.0)  2.0 Dexterity at camp chores or climbing in cold weather
Rain Mitts ZPacks Challenger Rain Mitts (1.0) 1.0 For intermittent use. Expensive.
Rain Mitts (alt) MLD eVENT Rain Mitts (1.2)  1.2 For intermittent use.
Rain Mitts (alt) Outdoor Research Revel (3.5) For constant use: waterproof, durable, grip palm
Spare socks DeFeet Wolleators or
SmartWool PhD Light Mini
1.8 Will bring to wash & switch between pairs
Sleeping socks DeFeet Woolie Boolie (3.0) No day use; sleeping and dry camp only
Sleeping top Patagonia long sleeve Cap LW (3.5) Dry/clean for camp. Only bring in very wet climates
Sleeping bot. Patagonia Capilene LW (3.4 oz) Dry/clean for camp. Only bring in very wet climates
Sleeping (alt) Terramar Thermasilk top & bot Inexpensive alternative to expensive base layers
TOTAL 2.3  Lb

Backpack and Gear Packaging

Packing Item Oz Comments
Pack opt 1 Mountain Laurel Designs 3500ci EXODUS (17 oz)  17.0 No frame. Almost all Dyneema. Very little mesh. Ideal for AT and shorter trips. [award winner]
Pack opt 1 Hyperlite Mountain Gear 2400 Windrider (28 oz) For  those that want a frame. Light, super durable, seam sealed bag, good carrying capacity, good pockets. More $ [award winner]
Pack (alt) Gossamer Gear Gorilla 40 (26 oz) Has frame. Durable. Right volume for AT. Record setting pack.
Pack (alt) Osprey Exos 38 Pack (34 oz) Mainstream commercial pack, readily available
Waterproofing for pack 2x Gossamer Gear Pack Liner (1.8) (alternate: a trash compactor bag) (1) liner for sleeping bag and insulating clothes
(1) liner for everything else
Food storage Quart-sized HD freezer bag 0.5 For storing organizing ‘todays’ snack food
Food storage Aloksak OP Sak 12.5″ x 20″ (1.0) control food scent – attract less animal attention
Bear canister Bear Vault BV500 (41) or Wild-Ideas Weekender (31) (when reg’s require) Wild-Ideas is lighter but pricy. Bear Vault is a better value
Stuff sacks For sleeping bag, clothes, etc. 2.0 Silnylon: keep gear organized, clean, protected
Map sleeve Gallon-sized freezer bag 0.5 Gallon: fewer map folds & shows more map area
Eyewear case padded nylon sleeve + Ziplock bag 0.4 No need for a heavy rigid case
TOTAL 1.3  Lb

Sleeping Gear and Hammock Camping Setup

Sleep+Shelter Item Oz Comments
Hammock Shelter Setup – For more on hammocks see: Hammock Camping Series
(for conventional ground sleeping options see “Alternate Camping with a Tarp” below.
Hammock Dutchware Half-Wit
(with Hexon 1.0 fabric )
 12.5 Light, all essential features & bug protection. Value!
(weight includes kevlar/whoopie suspension)
Sleeping Quilt Hammock Gear Burrow “+30” 14.5 (+40F + 2 oz over fill = “+30F”) Great value
Under Quilt Hammock Gear Phoenix “+30”  14.0 60″ long: (+40F + 2 oz over fill = “+30F”) Value
Tarp Hammock Gear Cuben Hex Tarp  7.0 Hammock specific tarp (wt incl. ridgelines & guylines)
Tarp (value) Hammock Bliss XL Rain Fly (18.0) Inexpensive and serviceable hammock tarp
Stakes 8 MSR Groundhog Y-stakes .5oz ea 4.0 Hold better than skewer stakes. Red easier to find!
Guylines 3mm MSR Reflective Utility Cord  2.4mm reflect cord (8×4-ft lines) 1.0 2 to 3mm – all work well – diameter your preference
TOTAL 3.1  Lb

Alternate Camping with a Tarp  (if not Hammock Camping)

Since most folks will be sleeping in AT shelters it doesn’t make much sense to carry a tent, which will go unused most nights. To save weight, just carry a light tarp in the low probability that there is both no room in the shelter and that it will rain. For more conventional tent & sleeping bag options see: 9 Pound – Full Comfort – Gear List.

Sleep+Shelter Item Oz Comments
Sleeping Bag Hammock Gear Burrow Quilt “+30” Pers fave. Great value! (with 2 oz over fill = “+30F”)
Sleeping Bag (alternate) Western Mountaineering SummerLite (19)  19.0 Conventional +32 sleeping bag. Light, warm, highest quality, long loft retention
Sleeping Pad T-Rest NeoAir X-lite “Women’s” 12.1 Perfect size for most. Warm. Super comfortable!
For more shelter options see: Recommended Tents, Tarps, and other Shelters
Tent (alt) TarpTent ProTrail – 1 pers (26oz) Full rain & bug protection for one person (has floor)
Tent (alt) Big Agnes Fly Creek UL 1 (33 oz) REI: Freestanding tent for those who feel they need it
Tent/Shelter (alternate) MLD Grace Duo Tarp Silnylon (15) Cuben (7.8)  15.0 Pers fave for many trips: Huge coverage. Low weight. Great ventilation and views.
Bivy MLD Superlight Bivy (7.0) Perfect with tarp. When bringing will cowboy camp under stars most nights
Ground cloth Gossamer Gear Polycryo M (1.6) 1.6 Not needed with a bivy or shelters with a floor
Stakes 8 MSR Groundhog Y-stakes .5oz ea 4.0 Hold better than skewer stakes. Red easier to find!
Guylines 3mm MSR Reflective Utility Cord  2.4mm reflect cord (8×4-ft lines) 1.0 2 to 3mm – all work well – diameter your preference
TOTAL 3.3  Lb

Cooking Gear and Water Storage/Treatment

Cook/Water Item Oz Comments
Bottles Sawyer 64 oz Squeezable Pouch 1.5 For collecting treating water in camp – dry camps
Bottles Sawyer 32 oz Squeezable Pouch 1.0 Use during the day (note: Platypus doesn’t fit Sawyer)
Purification Sawyer filter (3.0) 3.0 To drink on the spot – greatly reduces water cary
Purification Chlorine Dioxide tablets 0.5 For treating 2L bladder in camp
Cookset Trail Designs Toaks 900ml Pot, Sidewinder Ti-Tri, 4fl-oz fuel bottle 5.3 Lightest, most practical cookset on the market.
Zelph StarLyte Burner stores unburned fuel.
Cookset (alt) Jetboil Zip Cooking System, Jetpower 100 Fuel Canister (18.5) EZ to use. Much heavier than the alcohol stove cookset. Not “green” with non-recyclable canisters.
Pot (bargain) Open Country 3 Cup Pot (3.8) As good as a titanium pot but only $16
Cookset(cheap) TD $40-$50 pot/cookset option  Stay tuned: Working on what this will be
Fuel container Boston Round Bottle 4 fl-oz (0.8)
or TD Fuel Bottle Kit
(5 fl-oz act. cap) use squirt spout top for and medicine cup accurate dispensing
Ignition Standard (not micro) BIC lighter 0.2 Larger is easier to use with cold hands
Mug Snow Peak Ti Single 450 Cup (2.4)
Fave: MLD 475 Ti mug (1.3oz)
1.3 Eat breakfast & have coffee at same time
Bowl/Mug (alt) Ziplock 14 fl-oz bowl (0.6 oz) Pers fave: “mug” and/or bowl. Cheap, light, available
Mug (alt) Starbucks “$1,” 16 fl-oz cup (1.6oz) Readily available, inexpensive, reasonably durable
Utensil Plastic spoon with big shovel 0.3 spoon handle cut to fit in pot
Coffee brew MSR MugMate Coffee Filter (1.0) For using ground coffee (and not Starbuck’s VIA)
TOTAL 0.8  Lb

“Essential” Gear (smaller items not included in above)

Essentials Item Oz Comments
MAPS 11X17 Custom Maps in ZipLock 2.0 Mapped with CalTopo and printed at Kinkos
Charging 6000mAh Anker batt + cable (5.1) for longer tips (~1.5 iPhone6 charges)
SOS/Tracker Preferred: inReach SE (6.9) 2-way communication (a big deal!), visible GPS coordinates, and trip tracking+SOS
SOS/Track (alt) SPOT Gen3 (4.8) Disadvantages: only 1-way com, no vis. GPS coord.
GPS & Comm Iridium 9555 SatPhone (9.7 oz)
or Iridium GO!
Make no mistake: voice communication is still the gold-standard for high risk trips
Optics ROXANT 7×18 monocular (2.0) Light: scouting/route finding, decent, inexpensive
Optics (alt) MINOX BV II 8×25 binoc’s (10.8) Scouting, much better wildlife observation, value
Pen/pencil Fisher Space Pen Stowaway 0.2 To mark up maps, take notes about trip
Toothbrush GUM 411 Classic Toothbrush 0.4 Full head. minimal handle (but not cut in 1/2)
Toothpaste Travel size 1/2 full 0.7
Toilet paper Whatever is on the roll at home 1.0 TP only for polish, use found materials first
Soap/sanitizer Dr. Bronners 0.5 Dr. Bronner’s – repackaged into small bottle
Sunscreen small plastic tube about 1/2 full 0.5 for face & hands: most of body covered—large hat
Lip balm Bert’s Bees or similar 0.2 Minimal wt for dedicated lip balm
First Aid Kit Meds, wound/injury, foot care 3.0 See detailed list at bottom
Headnet Sea to Summit Head Net (1.2) Mosquito netting – don’t take on most trips
Insect repell. Repel Pen Pump Insect Repellent
Sawyer Maxi-DEET Spray (0.5)
Convenient size; effective. Sawyer preferred.
Foot care kit Bonnie’s Balm in small balm jar 0.5 In case of wet feet. Never get blisters.
Compass Suunto M-3D Compass (1.6) 1.6 Lightest compass with declination adjustment
Knife/scissors Wescott blunt tip school scissors 0.9 More useful than knife – OK for plane carryon
Knife Gerber L.S.T. Drop Point (1.2 oz) Can cut bread and salami – very light for 2.6″ blade
Knife (alt) Spyderco Ladybug Knife (0.6) 2″ blade – one of the lightest functional knives
Firestarter Bic Mini Lighter + trash 0.2 Energy bar wrappers are great fire starter
Light BD Ion ii headlamp (45g) 1.6 2 AAAs + headband. Bright, efficient dimmable LED
(slide/touch operation a bit wonky, so not for all)
Light (alt) Fenix LD02 w spare battery (1.0) Best mini light available, attach to hat brim with clip
Repair Tenacious patch, duct tape, glue  0.2 Also consider NeoAir patch kit, and Aquaseal
Finance/ID ID, CCs, and cash in snack ZipLock 0.2 More secure on me than left in car
TOTAL 0.8 Lb

Clothing Worn and Items Carried (stuff not in pack)

Worn/Carried Item Oz Comments
Shirt SmartWool Micro T Short-Sleeve 4.5 Light, comfortable. On trail, in shade. No need for sleeves. (put on fleece for cold/windy Wx)
Shirt (alt) SmartWool NTS lightweight zip (8) Shirt & baselayer: for colder weather
Pants Rail Riders X-Treme Adventure (16) Pers fave. Very durable, no velcro on pockets!
Pants (alt) REI Sahara convertable pants (14)  14.0 On trail, in shade: will hike in shorts most days.
Ex Officio and many others make similar pants
Underwear Patagonia briefs 2.0 Dry fast, will rinse/wash most days
Bra Lighter, quick drying spots bra Not an expert on this one!
Shoes Inov-8 ROCLITE 295 (20oz) 20.0 Pers fave. Light, sticky rubber, durable, low heel rise
Shoes (alt) Brooks Cascadia (25 oz) Very popular trail shoe for LW backpackers
Shoes (alt) Lightweight trail running shoes Most non-Goretex trail running shoes that fit well
Socks DeFeet Wolleators or
SmartWool PhD Light Mini
1.8 Wolleators are pers fave. Light, thin, warm, simple, durable
Gaiters Dirty Girl gaiters (1.2 oz) I rarely find the need for gaiters
Headwear Nylon Ball Cap 2.0 Mostly shade on AT. No need for killer sun protection
Watch Suunto Core with positive display 2.2 compass, altimeter, multifunction timepiece. No GPS
Watch/GPS Garmin Fenix 3 Sapphire (3 oz) Accurate trip track: GPS, compass, altimeter, time
Sunglasses Rx and non-Rx (polarized) 1.0 http://www.zennioptical.com/ for cheap Rx options
Glasses Zenni clear Rx glasses (1.0 oz) Great glasses! for $20 or so. But 2-3 week delivery
Camera Canon S120 + extra battery (8 oz) Balance of wt, size, image qual; less $ than RX100
Camera (alt) Sony RX100 or Sony a6000 See Serious Lightweight Backpacking Cameras
GPS/Comm Iphone 6+ Ziplock baggie (7.5) 7.5 Primary GPS & map source (not leaving in car!)
Poles bargain Cascade Mountain Tech Carbon 15.2 Pers fave. 1/3 price but equal to the best poles
Trek Poles REI Carbon Power Lock (16 oz)
BD Carbon Alpine (18 oz)
Stiff, light, travel-friendly, won’t break off-trail/rough terrain (readily available)
TOTAL 4.3  Lb

First Aid Kit (detail)

First Aid Item Oz Comments
Pain, fever inflammation Naprosyn (Aleve), Ibuprofen, or Tylenol (fever) 0.4 In ziplock pill bag available at pharmacies
Foot/blister Gauze + Leukotape Tape 0.3 For taping over blisters, or pre-blister areas
Foot/blister Tincture of benzoin in micro-bottle 0.2 For getting tape or Bandaids to REALLY stick!
Wound care Bandaids + gel blister covers 0.5 Assorted sizes – your preference
Wound care Antibact. packets + wound wipes 0.4 Wound cleansing, infection prevention
OTC meds Benadryl, Sudafed, Nexium, Imodium, caffeine tablets 0.4 All in tablet/pill form
Rx meds Personal Dr’s Rx meds 0.4
Pain serious Dr’s Rx Painkiller 0.2 For serious injury, tooth abscess, etc.
Storage/org Bag Poly 5×8  to hold 1st Aid Kit 0.2  Keep size down. Can only put in what can fit in bag.
TOTAL 3.0  Oz (included in “Essential” Gear)
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  1. Bob January 1, 2016 at 5:28 am - Reply

    Incredible site and information. Thank you. A few questions: If I’m planning longer(6-14 days) solo hikes, shouldn’t I use a heavier pack @ around 3 or 4 pounds to be rated to carry more? Also, I see you and your buddy prefer lightweight ‘Shoes’; If I’m trekking the trail long distances with 30-40 lbs total pack weight shouldn’t I be wearing a more durable, load-baring ‘Boot’? When you’re in big bear/cat territory, what do you do to ease your worries? Bear mace, gun, common sense and knowledge, or is such a worry not warranted?

    Happy New Year!

    • Alan Dixon January 1, 2016 at 9:07 pm - Reply

      Good new year Bob.
      I’m Santiago and heading out to Patagonia tomorrow morning early so a few quick answers via my iPhone. 1) If you follow the advice on my food pages (on long trips there’s a ton of food weight to be saved) (Backpacking food), and do about 1/2 of the things suggested in my quick ways to reduce pack weight (Quick ways to reduce pack weight. That should put your pack weight 30 lb or under. This will allow you to get something like a HMG or ULA pack (Recommend B Backpacks)that will carry that amount of weight (I have carried 30 lb in both these packs). Hopefully you’ll be more in the 22-27 lb range. As to the boots vs. shoes. I have carried over 30 lbs in light trail runners even when going off-trail and over talus and climbing etc. in terrain like the Sierras and Wind River Range. It can be done. But that’s a personal decision. Best thing to do is to “season your ankles and feet” by doing long day hikes in the shoes and socks you intend to use on your 6-7 day trip. Finally I only carry bear spray, and then only in areas where there are active Grizzly Bears like Yellowstone and Alaska. With all bears your first and best defense is to be aware and not do anything stupid (not rocket science and not hard to do).

      Also look at this 4.7 lb gear List for some ideas on how to go really light. Not suggesting that you do this, but you may find a few areas that you might feel comfortable about radically reducing weight, e.g. Cowboy camping and only using a tarp when it’s actually raining.

      Hope you have a great trip, -Alan

  2. Rachael January 19, 2016 at 10:59 pm - Reply

    This is great! I’ve been looking to get my pack under 10 pounds. I’ll have to look at some of your other gear lists…one of my dreams is to hike the Appalachian, and this is just what I needed. It’s insane! You’ve got everything on here, including sunscreen. I don’t see many backpackers prioritize this very much. Thanks for the awesome post!

    • Alan Dixon January 20, 2016 at 12:00 am - Reply

      Thanks for the kind comments. And just an FYI, once the leaves are out on the AT you should be hiking mostly in shade. It’s one of the nicer things about the AT. The shade reduces solar radiation. And both the shade and evaporative cooling by the trees make the relative temp on the AT about 10 degrees cooler. Have a great hike, -Alan

  3. David Golembiesky October 28, 2016 at 10:05 am - Reply

    Great Site! Final planning for the AT in the spring, your gear list has got me rethinking some of my gear! Awesome breakdown! Thanks!

  4. Alex December 15, 2016 at 2:15 am - Reply

    Hey Alan,

    Love your site and all the great info. I’m located in Baltimore, do most of my trips 3-season in Virginia and West VA. I made the switch to the hammock because of how much easier it is to find a spot for the night in our uneven, rocky woods. I’m going to bite the bullet and get down under and over quilts, but I’m not sure about temp rating. I do like to occasionally get out in the winter, usually just to clear my head for a night, and you probably know that in the Blue Ridge/George Washington NF it can get cold in the winter, so in the end I might have to get two sets of quilts. For 3-season would you still recommend the overstuffed HG quilts, getting their rating down to 30 degrees? I’m just wondering if those will be too hot for the dog days of summer. Or if it’s that hot would I just not need to use the under quilt? My cold weather set I’m planning on the HG burrow/incubator 20 overstuffed to rate about 10 degrees. If I have the cold set, do you think I need the overstuffed 30 degree set, or would the regular 40 degree set be okay for most 3-season? I sleep pretty warm.
    Thanks a ton!

    • Alan Dixon December 15, 2016 at 2:26 am - Reply

      Good Q Alex. See Lightweight Winter Hammock Camping guest post I did for the Ultimate Hang. Bottom line is you should be able to get down to around 10f with a +20 degree top and bottom quilt (maybe with a bit of overfill) along with the down jacket and pants you’d likely bring in temps that cold. This will give you the broadest temp range for quilts. At some point in the summer you’ll need lighter quilts or use another insulating system. Let me know if this helps. -alan

  5. Ender March 5, 2017 at 7:46 pm - Reply

    Hi Alan,
    I really learned a lot from your blog and am grateful for all the work you put in this.
    I’m planning an AT thru hike this year and don’t have practical experience in using light/ultralight gear. My first question is about the shelter: I definitely need a tent because of my fear of bugs and Lyme disease. Tarptents make a lot of sense, but I also want to use it after mu thru-hike in conditions that are very similar to Pacific Northwest (constant fog, high elevation, rain, etc.). That limits me to Big Agnes Fly Creek or Nemo Hornet; which one would you recommend? Should I go with a tarptent because you think the condensation issue can be easily handled with a pack towel?

    What would be your practical recommendation, considering this is a thru-hike?
    Thanks,
    Ender

    • Alan Dixon March 7, 2017 at 12:54 am - Reply

      Hi Ender, good Qs. I wouldn’t lose a lot of sleep over the Big Agnes Fly Creek vs. Nemo Hornet. Not likely to make an enormous difference in the long run. Pick one with the features that you like, or whatever seems to be the better deal. Good campsite selection will almost certainly make more difference than tent design. And both tents will do better with more sheltered campsite. Ditto with the tarptent. The TarpTent has the advantage of being lighter–and constant fog, high elevation, rain, etc. will likely make all these shelters condense. In that case, a larger tarptent say a 2p one for solo camping might give you some more room to manage condensation (more volume per person) and room to keep away from condensing walls (my wife and I use a 3p tarptent for just such conditions). As always if you can keep the front door partially open that will help with condensation.

      Hope this helps, and have a great hike. Best, -alan

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